So Wait, Why Can't Tyler Hansbrough Be A Lottery Pick?

I have the NBA League Pass. This might come as a shock to some people, seeing as how college basketball fans are supposed to despise the evil, emotionless, robot-ball of the NBA. What with all that talent and, you know, ability to make shots. Cheerleaders, stoned students and white guys. Now that is basketball. But I'm not going to digress on whether college is, in fact, a better basketball product as nearly every casual basketball fan and diehard college fan purports it to be. That is perhaps another column for another day.
No, the reason I bring up the League Pass is that I watch a lot of basketball (if you are looking to stay up until 1:30 every night before work -- and alcohol/a woman is not an option that particular evening -- the League Pass is a great alternative to accomplishing this goal) and I watch a lot of different players. Therefore, I have gained a knowledge that I am quite proud of and one that is very rare, likely because it is completely useless. I am familiar with every player that steps onto the floor of an NBA game. I have seen them all play before, I know their games, I know their roles on their given team and, most importantly, I know just how ridiculous it is for them to be in the NBA. There are some truly awful, truly lucky and truly inexplicable players seeing major minutes in the NBA. Chicago and New Orleans are on right now actually and Ryan Bowen, Rasual Butler, Aaron Gray, Hilton Armstrong and Jannero Pargo have all had an impact on this game one way or another (four of those five players are on New Orleans; if Byron Scott isn't Coach of the Year, Ralph Nader needs to get involved). And this is happening everywhere.
So, why in the name of Mark Blount can't Tyler Hansbrough make it in the NBA? Everyone even remotely involved in evaluating/analyzing college basketball absolutely loves Hansbrough and yet not one of those people give him any chance to be more than a fringe pro. He is a "great, college player" or "shows grit and determination" or "is relentless around the basket;" but at the same time he manages to be "undersized," "unathletic" and, worst of all, "a four-year player." He is listed as the No. 29 pick in the 2009 Draft (behind guys like Curtis Jerrels and Joe Alexander) on NBADraft.net and, more reasonably, No. 19 in this year's draft on Draft Express (behind DeVon Hardin). Now, I'm not going to suggest Tyler Hansbrough, as a result of his dominance of the college ranks, should be the No. 1 pick or something. But I do think he will be a very valuable NBA player.
And that depends on how you define success I suppose. I linked to this last week, but there was a nice piece on FreeDarko about how NBA GMs have been suckered into an era where they expect their draft picks to be franchise saviors -- rather than (gasp) effective contributors -- because they now get a chance to see the untapped talent of former high school-to-pro dudes at a college level. Conversely, those that show limitations to their talent at that level are penalized like they haven't been before (how else does Brandan Wright go ahead of Joakim Noah last year?). And this is what has happened to Tyler Hansbrough. He is a really fucking good player. He averages 2.5 points and 1.5 rebounds less than Michael Beasley and shoots roughly the same percentages all against similar, but probably better competition. On the other hand, he doesn't hit threes, blocks way less shots and is over three years older than Beasley. Me being a rational person, looking at only those facts, I would say Beasley is a much better prospect than Hansbrough. And that is true. But the question is how much? No matter what your limitations, putting up those numbers for a top team in a top conference with opposing defenses doing everything to stop you, is fairly impressive. And yet those numbers, except when considering the POY race, have somehow been rendered irrelevant. If you just look at the players and listen to the pundits, the difference is obvious, right? (Note: Wrong).
Well, since no one else wants to say it, here's what Tyler Hansbrough does well that will translate to the NBA. He has incredible touch around the basket. He somehow manages to get the weirdest shots from the weirdest angles to go in, and frequently does so while being fouled. The utter ugliness in aesthetic that these shots often display, is probably the reason people scoff at his game. He doesn't make it look very easy and for some reason we equate making the game look natural with having natural talent. For some, like Beasley and Durant, this is absolutely true, but it's certainly not the rule (JR Smith has a smoothness that makes the game look easy and he can barely read). Hansbrough is also outstanding with his body positioning. Kevin Love, another guy whose NBA stock is being persecuted, is also outstanding at this. When you are undersized, you have to compensate by being able to position your body at the right angles and seal off defenders in the post (just ask Charles Barkley). This is why Hansbrough gets rebounds, gets to the line like he does and manages to get shots off against bigger and more athletic opponents. This is something few NBA players can perform at Hansbrough's level because it's not something you have to teach athletic players as they grow up. But in the NBA, everyone is athletic, so positioning and footwork ends up being an important differentiator from defenders.
This season he has also shown a bit of a face-up game and a mid-range jumper. Now he hasn't done it at a level that will turn him into some unstoppable force, but it does dispel the myth that he has "peaked" in development. He is adding facets to a game that was already good enough to dominate on the college level and has shown signs of turning the J he's shown this year into a consistent 16-foot jumper in the League (the 16-foot jumper is the NBA big man's free meal ticket to offensive longevity, just ask Marcus Camby, Mark Blount, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Kurt Thomas and Udonis Haslem... do not ask Ben Wallace).
OK, you say, "But he's still a barely 6-8 power forward, which position in the NBA can he guard?" If you haven't seen the NBA lately, there are tons of 6-8 players that are frequently slotted as a power forward. There are very few teams that play the majority of their games with a classic PG, 6-5 SG, 6-8 SF, 6-10 PF and 7-0 C anymore. I watched Cleveland play Atlanta the other day and LeBron James and Marvin Williams were the tallest players on the court down the stretch in the fourth. This league wants guys to get up and down the court, be able to run an effective screen and roll or screen and pop, and do the little things that help the stars stay stars. That sounds like a fine roll for Psycho T. He has great conditioning, is pretty fast end-to-end, should be able to set good screens, can knock down open, mid-range jumpers and rebounds like Satan is telling him to do so. By doing those things alone, coupled with his touch in the paint, toughness and basketball IQ, he will be a great secondary NBA player. And not some bench guy to steal minutes. He can be a starter on a contending NBA team. I mean, Fabricio Oberto is, Erick Dampier is, Joel Przybilla is, Kendrick Perkins is, Rasual Butler is. And while those guys aren't great players, I'd still rather use a late lottery pick on them than I would a guy with "untapped talent." Because there's no guarantee that guy is ever to going to tap himself (that didn't come out right, but you get the point).
Labels: ACC, Posts that aren't really that funny, Tyler Hansbrough, UNC, White People

8 Comments:
At February 13, 2008 5:21 AM ,
krusher233 said...
Did you compare Hansbrough to Barkley? Are you retarded? He's a good college player in an incredibly watered down sport! The fact of the matter is that most of the good players that have any kind of future in the NBA leave for the NBA as underclassmen. Hansbrough is undersized, lacks athleticism, lacks a jumpshot, and has know quickness what so ever.
At February 13, 2008 10:32 AM ,
jtom said...
No, likely Duke fan, I am not retarded. I also never compared Hansbrough to Barkley. I merely said they both are adept at using body position to make up for a lack in size. That is the only commonality and the only time I mentioned Barkley.
And the rest of your comment is simply untrue. Plenty of upperclassmen turn into very good NBA players within a specified role (Battier, Noah, Duhon, even Emeka Okafor). They won't be stars, but guess what, there are only going to be three or four stars, MAX, out of each draft class. So why not take a good player that will supply certain skills that every contending team needs (i.e. rebounding, screens, running the floor, finishing around the basket, hitting open mid-range jumpers)?
And you make it sound like he's no better than Craig Forth or something. The guy is averaging 22 and 11 with constant double teams and in a traditionally great conference. You're exaggerating his flaws because you don't like him and are no different than the people I mention in the opening paragraphs. You see the limits to his talent and assume that he can't possibly overcome those and provide the same worth as some prospect with "unlimited potential."
But thank you for reading.
At February 13, 2008 3:39 PM ,
skinnytony said...
The 16 footer is Marcus Camby's meal ticket? The fact that he is one of the NBA's best rebounding and shot blocking centers has nothing to do with it?
At February 13, 2008 3:58 PM ,
jtom said...
Yes, you are right. I forgot to specify "on the offensive end." My bad. I would hate to disparage Marcus Camby like that because I've seen firsthand how great he has been defensively this season.
At February 13, 2008 6:19 PM ,
Trenton said...
Your analysis about how Hansbrough's ability will translate to the next level is very sound. It's almost as if you actually pay attention and don't just state the company line that Krusher233 and every common fan comes up with.
I'm a huge, long-time Duke fan, but I pride myself on being able to provide even-handed commentary on college basketball issues such as this one. I guess that's because I'm an enormous fan of college basketball, not just Duke. I also have no problem recognizing a Tar Heel for his merits, especially when they are so obvious. Once a guy like Hansbrough stops wearing baby blue I don't even dislike them anymore, so I am able to keep an open mind regarding NBA prospects, even for the Hansbroughs of the world.
Without going into too much detail, I agree that Tyler will almost certainly be an effective NBA player. Aside from playing his ass off and having a pretty high basketball IQ, I think the biggest reason he'll succeed is because he does have athleticism. He is a big, strong kid, yet he can get up and down the court with ease. These folks that cite his lack of athleticism apparently missed his 360 dunk a couple weeks ago or the other finishes on the break he's had the last few years. Plus, he's just quicker in the paint than he gets credit for. You mentioned his unorthodox shot and his game-clincher last night against UVa is a perfect example. He's right handed and he made a right-handed hook shot look like the most difficult thing in the world. But the ball went into the hoop. Game over.
The guy who always comes to mind when people bash Hansbrough is Mark Madsen. This guy is basically the same size, but lacks the athleticism and offensive skill (newly found jump shot, free throw percentage) of Hansbrough. Madsen has been in the league for 7 or 8 years now because he's found a niche as a tough defender and rebounder. Living in the SF Bay Area, I also see the Warriors play a bit. They would be a great fit for Tyler because they have little size and play at a fast tempo. Like a lot of NBA players, a lot will be determined by where he ends up. I look at JJ Redick and Shelden Williams and they hardly ever play. They put up some numbers when they get in, but just hardly get the minutes. Still, I have no doubt that they could thrive in the right situation. Look at Dunleavy. Warriors fans grew to hate the guy for not living up to his draft billing, but now he is playing great for the Pacers.
I know this response is really long, but one last thing I want to mention. I also hate that college stars are always judged on whether or not they are stars at the next level. There are people that even want to bash Grant Hill for being a bust because of what happened in Orlando, which is utterly insane. I expect Hansbrough to do what he does best in the NBA. He's a guy that may not average 15 and 10, but I wouldn't bet against him. I expect that he'll be an underrated player that finds his way onto a really good team that can take advantage of his abilities. As much as I hate to say it, Hansbrough is a winner and reaps the benefits of the hard work he has put in over the years. If I had an NBA team or cared at all about the league, I would definitely want the guy on my team.
At February 13, 2008 7:18 PM ,
jtom said...
Thanks for being rational Trenton. I agree that the Warriors (or better yet, the Hornets) would be an outstanding fit for Hansbrough (it's a crude comparison and Biedrins is great, but is he considerably better than Hansbrough?). Teams in that late lottery area that could use him are Sacramento, Washington and Phoenix, which has Atlanta's pick. Basically any team with a lot of dribble penetration, where he can run the floor, be on the other end of drive-and-kicks and drive-and-dishes and won't need offensive sets run for him to be effective. They will get a whole lot out of him. I honestly don't see how anyone could take a guy like Shelden Williams ahead of Tyler Hansbrough and yet Shelden went No. 5 and Ty won't go top 15.
And I agree with your assessment of the Madsen comparison, which is made on NBADraft.net. Hansbrough is a lot more skilled than Madsen, has much better athleticism and put up considerably better numbers over three years. They both work hard and the comparison ends there.
At February 21, 2008 11:03 AM ,
NY Heels Fan said...
Hmmm...are there any good NBA players who played four years in college (in the ACC)? Isn't there someone who played in Winston Salem, NC (not Rodney Rogers or Mugsy Bogues), who plays for a team in Texas?
Hansbrough also has tremendous hands.
Even if you doubt his skill, you can never doubt his work ethic. His recent improvement shows that he has the potential to grow. His work history shows that he has the will to evolve when necessary. Lawson goes down - he increases his rebounding and scoring. The same thing will happen in the NBA. He will identify what he needs to do to succeed and not rest until he does it. Why would he play four years at UNC? Maybe he's enjoying himself? Yeah, that's crazy.
NBA basketball seems flat. The athletes are superhuman, but they rarely seem to give a rat's ass. The NBA all-star game is the epitome of the NBA ethic. Guys loafing, alley-oop after alley-oop, matador-D, guys drifting on the wings waiting for their one-on-one opportunities. I had Knicks season tickets for 5 years in the nineties. The playoffs were exciting, but after awhile, you realize that when 2 teams play each other 5-6-7 times a year, year after year, in games that usually don't matter (everybody makes the playoffs) it ceases to be engaging. The commentary from the players and coaches after the game could be used after any of the games between the team because it's the same song and dance every time.
The characterization of college student fans as "stoned" probably needs to be examined.
At February 21, 2008 11:22 AM ,
jtom said...
Yeah I agree completely with your first couple paragraphs. Even a guy like Al Thornton, who was 23 when he left college is playing great ball for the Clippers. And certainly Brandon Roy. Obviously they are totally differents player than Hansbrough but I just don't understand the stigma with upperclassmen (and that's mostly with NBA fans, I think smart GMs don't factor age too much).
But with the NBA paragraph, that sounds like someone who hasn't been watching the league lately. The talent level in the NBA is the highest it's been since the early 90s and the league, especially the West, is unbelievably competitive and probably more entertaining than college basketball has been this year. I would put this year's Western Conference playoffs up against this year's March Madness, no doubt.
But yeah, you're dead right on Hansbrough, thanks.
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